“There is no crime. Yet NCHIs are a punishment” was the argument this self-selected chamber rated most highly, and it framed the result as a rejection of punishment without an offence. Yes won by more than three to one, in a debate that sounded less like a dispute over administrative practice than a revolt against perceived state overreach.
The winning side’s case had two sturdy pillars: policing should deal with conduct that crosses a legal threshold, and officers should not be diverted from actual crime. “Crime is crime, and we have laws to deal with that,” said one of the floor’s strongest Yes voices, while another called NCHIs “a dangerous precedent”; others put it more bluntly as “Freedom of speech means freedom to offend.”
The No case was sparse but not empty. One voter argued that “No crime incidents can turn into a crime”, making the case for records that reveal a pattern, while another said the issue was not tracking risk but the fact that lawful speech had been logged and policing blurred with perception; the two sides were largely talking past each other, one about prevention and the other about chilling expression.
The room’s rougher edges were visible too: some Yes voters reached for “the stasi-like state” and a “communist authoritarian nightmare”, while replies challenged the left-wing framing and corrected one post’s political vocabulary. Others wanted the whole concept of hate crime abandoned, or argued that prosecutions merely turned offenders into martyrs; alongside them sat the quieter practical complaint that police resources should go towards harassment, threats and rising violent hate crime rather than social-media disputes.
That leaves a clear reading of this vote: the higher-threshold replacement has arrived in a chamber already convinced that the old system confused vigilance with sanction. Its verdict was not silence about risk, but impatience with recording suspicion before crime.
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A lot of hate crime laws ultimately just turn racists into martyrs for their racist mates. Just look at nutters like Lucy Connolly. Nobody would give two sh*ts about her if she hadn't been charged for being an idiot on Twitter.
We have laws in this country for a reason, if you don't want to fall foul of hate crimes laws don't be a hateful person..
I voted against. The problem wasn’t the idea of tracking risk — it was the way NCHI logged lawful speech and blurred policing with perception. The review already said they weren’t fit for purpose, which is why they’re being replaced with a higher threshold in 2027.
In fact, let's scrap the whole idea of hate crime. Focus on what people do, since you can't prove what people are thinking.
It's not a crime! Honestcompass65 says it could turn into a crime !!! Take my driving licence off me i could hit a pedestrian!!
It’s part of a move to ban free speech & create the right kind of thought - not speech. The Marxist ‘Common Purpose’ organisation has infested the Police & Civil Service & it their unmitigated evil which has infested the minds of weak individuals and leftist graduates. With a proper government those involved especially in senior positions should be prosecuted for Treason - deport foreigners as will need prison space!!
The first two words “non-crime” tell you exactly why these should be scrapped. Police are wasting too much time on this when there is actually crime needing investigating.
Yes. Pre-crime sanctions are a dangerous precedent. If the legal system isn't working, fix it.
Freedom of speech means freedom to offend.
Crime is crime, and we have laws to deal with that. Non crime incidents are subjective and impossible to pollice.