The winning No case was not a rejection of shared purpose so much as a refusal to believe compulsion could manufacture it. The floor’s most-respected voice, an ex-soldier, argued that soldiers should stand together because they “wanted to be”.
That argument was reinforced by practical objections rather than grand theory. One No voter said, “Our armed forces need skilled professionals, not reluctant teens they have to babysit”, while another asked what taxpayers would gain by compelling people “who don't want to serve”.
Yes voters made the more affirmative case: a modern scheme could bring young people together where other institutions no longer do. Its strongest voice said “there is no longer a unifying element that encourages cohesion and community”; another pointed to a civilian alternative that “offered broad exposure to possible careers”.
The two sides often answered different questions. Yes was arguing for discipline, contact and opportunity; No was asking why the state should impose them before repairing the conditions that have damaged trust, with one voter insisting: “First you need to fix the problems causing people to feel that the social contract is broken”.
For a proposal about unity, the room’s own debate was revealingly divided over whether unity can be designed from above. In this self-selected online chamber, the more respected voices were not persuaded that shared purpose begins with an order.
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I see reluctance to teach youngsters here. You will never get skilled or professional people if those that have the skills are too lazy to pass them on. This is the whole point. The military, discipline, some of our youngsters need that, sad but true. The cost, if they are in the military, they aren't getting benefits are they? Hopefully won't be getting into trouble, less strain on the justice system. I'm thinking of the practicalities.
I'm voting yes, yet I am torn in half with this. I do not like war. Our armed forces are taught a multitude of different things, worthwhile and useful, in emergencies and disasters. Backup for us and others. My suggestion is that if a young person has not found employment within a year of ceasing education, they have to join up. If they have medical problems, still join up and learn what they are capable of, without joining to fight. Might be what the UK needs.
Good idea when you actually drill down into the detail, most simply having to do 25 days community service over 7 years but hard to fund finacially in today's climate.
Our armed forces need skilled professionals, not reluctant teens they have to babysit, and forced civic schemes breed resentment rather than unity.
All foreigners not in work should be called up and sent to the Ukraine to help Zelenskyy. No need to train them or arm them.
Compelling people to join organisations that reinforce class division is the worst possible idea.
Anyone suggesting that the best way to get young people engaged with the nation is to train them to fight and kill for causes they don't personally believe in is living in a fantasy land. Young people are disenchanted due to the cost of living, impossibility of getting on the housing ladder, AI sapping up careers left right and centre. Nothing that be solved with forced conscription.
Though there's a lot of difference between 25 days volunteering and a year in the army. 25 days is too short to change or learn anything. Joining the army, even for a short while, needs non-pacifist beliefs which teachers have taught kids to refute, and fitness.
The (now extinct) German system of "Bundeswehr" or "Zivildienst" aged 18 always struck me as imminently sensible - although it only applied to the chaps. The "Zivildienst" options ran the gamut from paramedic training to after school care assitants and offered broad exposure to possible careers in those diverse fields - time spent would usually have counted into subsequent training requirements. I don't see why this would not work applied to both sexes.
Vast numbers in UK hate our nation. They want to turn & are turning UK into the hell holes they hail from. They don’t want to work are low IQ backward & our establishment bends over backwards to accommodate their behaviour - for votes. To think there is any common ground with native Britons is exceedingly naive & delusional. The government is running down our forces in real time yet throwing away £Billions abroad like a drunken sailor. Labour is intentionally dividing us.