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Is Andy Burnham correct that young people who are NEET are not lazy but just need proper opportunities?
EmploymentEnded 31 Aug

Is Andy Burnham correct that young people who are NEET are not lazy but just need proper opportunities?

Yes 59%No 41%498 votes cast

Over one million 16-24 year olds in the UK are NEET, the highest level in over a decade and costing around £125 billion a year. As Prime Minister, Andy Burnham has described tackling the rise in NEET numbers as his mission, introducing technical education routes from age 14, expanding apprenticeships and work placements, and rejecting the idea that young people are to blame when support and opportunities are lacking. An interim review by Alan Milburn reached similar conclusions, finding most NEETs want work or training but face systemic barriers.

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Young people were not granted a moral exemption here; they were offered a different diagnosis. The chamber accepted the proposition while leaving plenty of room for disagreement about effort, expectations and responsibility.

The floor’s most-respected Yes case pointed to scale rather than stereotype: “Better apprenticeships, technical education and proper support” were presented as the practical answer to barriers that keep people out of work or training. Other Yes voters wanted polytechnics and trades restored, questioned the value of unsuitable university courses, and argued that positive outcomes, role models and realistic first-job expectations mattered.

The No case was not simply a defence of calling young people lazy. Its strongest voice said, “No, he can’t be right by definition”, while another argued that “Not lazy, just need opportunities” was only half the compact: motivation, attendance and a duty to participate had to accompany any offer. Some pointed to voluntary work, sport and community activity as opportunities already available, while others blamed schools, vanished trades and a failure to prepare young people for adult life.

The sharper disagreement was over where responsibility sits. Several voters tied the problem to wage suppression, taxes, employers’ national insurance, employment rights and migrant labour; the most concise version blamed “wage suppression and too high taxes reducing incentives for work and progression”. Alongside that policy argument came complaints about benefits becoming a lifestyle, jobs needing to be meaningful, influencers making effortless income look normal, and — at the room’s fringes — claims that Burnham was chasing youth votes or was a “Globalist plant”.

The chamber’s message was therefore conditional but clear: opportunity came first in the verdict, though nobody quite abolished the obligation to take it.

“Calling every NEET lazy is a pretty lazy argument in itself. Some young people will obviously make poor choices, but when nearly a million are outside work or education, it suggests something bigger is going wrong. If most actually want to work or train, we should be asking why they can't access those opportunities.... Better apprenticeships, technical education and proper support make far more se”

YES case · BenL · 5 respects

“No, he can't be right by definition. There is for sure an element of laziness, the expectations are set too high by young people and finally the education is not preparing them to adult live. Benefits do not help.”

NO case · Slawomir · 3 respects

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The Private-Housing Defender
Voted noRight lean

Whilst I am sure many may be purely lazy, it is right to say that fewer opportunities exist for young people, these are, in some ways, due to this governments policies, increasing employers NI, higher wages for younger people and the employment rights bill make some employers think twice before taking the decision to employ young people. Many prefer to take on migrant workers. However, some young people don't seem willing to do lower paid, so called menial jobs to start with

Jonathan· 525
The Civic Gatekeeper
Voted noRight lean

Burnham's just chasing the "yoof" votes. He's like a cringey geography teacher who ends up hitting on the six formers at the leaving prom.

Dragontao· 455
The Foreign-Policy Reformer
Voted yesC. Right lean

To stereotype everyone because of a few, is unfair and divisive.

Glasses· 723
The Atlantic Gatekeeper
Voted yesRight lean

Great for Labour to say that,because of increase in youth wages employee Ni etc etc youth unemployment has ballooned. Migrant workers don't help either.

atc1249· 648
The Social Market Steward
Voted yesCentre lean

Yes, he is fundamentally correct however too many young people no longer see role models that prove the case and are distracted by influencers that appear to be able to create an income stream with little or no effort, view as unfair benefits given or allegedly given to those some parts of society believe to be undeserving or have found that low level crime provides a supplement to wealthfare benefits. In such an environment some young people may struggle to find a focus.

JohnnyBoy· 487
The Housing Sovereigntist
Voted noRight lean

I really don’t care what Burnham thinks about anything. He’s a Globalist plant installed to destroy the UK who with his left hand distributes £Billons & his right hand pathetic morsels with the promise of more tax confiscation. He is in office but has zero power. He’s told what he can do. It’s a coup against us.

Fletch· 490
The Unionist Custodian
Voted noC. Right lean

That is a lazy response. Personally all people 49 years of age who are neet for 12 months should be square bashed and put to work in uniform our streets need cleaned as does our shoreline brown fields demolished houses built we need to outside the box.

The Order-and-Restraint Moderate
Voted yesC. Right lean

But they need positive outcomes to get them into work, they can have barriers that may stop them from working plus they have got to stop trying to earn £50,000 in their first job and they need to work hard.

The Peacemaker
Voted yesC. Left lean

YES Simply because not everyone is academic enough to go to university Instead of making up pointless uni course for the less academic young people that not only makes them feel inadequate & feeling like giving up, but also gives them no job prospects Britain needs to reintroduce Polytechnics & apprenticeships that give young people a trade that gives them jobs for the future This will also help build a base of skilled workers who can help rebuild Britain's industries

The Left Constitutionalist
Voted yesC. Left lean

The Uk government needs to look at why there are not jobs for young people in England. There is a lack of graduate jobs and blsminv the young people or Universities doesn’t help solve it.