The argument that carried the vote was not a rejection of higher education so much as a demand for a different shape of it. Voters here backed a smaller, more selective system alongside stronger vocational routes, with the sharpest Yes voice calling to “keep the best & get rid of the rest”.
The floor’s most-respected Yes case framed the choice as “quality not quantity”, warning that too many students were spending valuable years on courses with little purchase in working life. Other Yes voters returned to the lost status of polytechnics and the need for “more alternative careers through in house training and apprenticeships”.
No’s strongest voices did not deny the funding or quality problems; they rejected closure as the remedy. The floor’s most-respected No argument said universities have an “incredibly positive impact” on students and their towns, while a more local voice insisted that “universities keep local businesses alive” — a direct answer to the Yes camp’s suspicion of campus jobs as “Potemkin jobs”.
The two sides were often answering different questions: Yes asked whether every institution should remain a university, while No defended the wider economic and research ecosystem around them. One No voter offered the room’s most useful distinction: “too many of them have a severe overlap”, suggesting specialisation rather than abolition may be where the argument actually leads.
So this self-selected online chamber delivered a clear preference for pruning the system, but its debate was more nuanced than the verdict: fewer universities, perhaps, but not less opportunity, regional investment or serious research.
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Our Universities seem popular with overseas students. There's so much information nowadays out there, we are finding out new things all the time, for this reason I don't think we have enough universities. We need more, more areas for deeper research. More ways to share new understanding, to help scientists, archaeologists, and so on.
I don't think there are too many universities, but I do think that too many of them have a severe overlap. There are around 100-120 (ballpark figure) general degree categories; each should specialise in 1-5 of them instead of each trying to do them all.
You would hope that more means that rivalry would push up stats and reduce costs
As someone who has made their career working in nearly every function of higher education, I can say that overwhelmingly universities have an incredibly positive impact, not just on their students, but also on their respective towns and cities. Are there issues with how they are funded and run? Yes, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.
Falling numbers is nothing to do with having too many, we need more degree apprenticeships, and overall cheaper cost of Education. Too many are not going for fear of the debt they will incur.
A huge part of the problem with higher education is too many students and too many institutions. Shrinking back down to a well funded core who can be supported properly by the state and can get students into good jobs and ahead in life makes more sense.
We have way too many universities and way too many people in degrees that are never degree level requirements. Vocational qualifications and apprenticeships which are indentured need reviving.
Converting the old polytechnics into universities to lend a greater cachet to the education provided has widened the gap between the 'red brick' and newer universities and not leveled the playing field. Providing improved access to education is laudable but technical colleges provided a mid-level route to a gainful career that was achievable by candidates with more modest educational potential.
Went to a Polytechnic in 70’s & obtained a vocational BSc. It was a good education. Blairs idea of extending tertiary education to ‘all’ was divisive unnecessary & unbalanced society. Couple with the hard left’s infiltration into academia, many courses on offer are effectively useless in the work market, immiserate those who take such courses & solely benefit the woke academic class. Police Nurses etc never needed degrees manufactured for their own sake. Streamline & cull.
If everyone has a degree they are devalued in the job market. Academia is not for everyone, and fewer universities with higher standards would benefit us all. We need to reduce stress on kids, reduce debt for degrees when they no longer benefit, and provide more alternative careers through in house training and apprenticeships. We need more builders, plumbers, electricians and nurses. Such jobs should attract bursaries not debt,