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Are we heading for techno-feudalism?

Yes 69%No 31%483 votes cast

The concept of techno-feudalism was popularised by economist Yanis Varoufakis in his 2023 book, arguing that companies like Amazon, Apple and Meta have supplanted capitalism. Platforms now function as digital fiefdoms extracting rents via algorithms rather than generating profits from markets, with users acting as serfs producing data. Recent discussions link it to massive AI data centre investments by tech giants and concerns over power concentration, worker displacement and privatisation.

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“Headed? We are are.” captured the mood better than the theory did. The decisive Yes verdict was less a settled belief that capitalism has already ended than a broad concern that power is moving towards platforms, data and AI faster than politics can respond.

The floor’s most-respected Yes case rejected the premise that this must be either capitalism or techno-feudalism: “Not quite sure why this is an either/or.” Its sharper point was that “Big Tech is extracting rent from cloud platforms and data”, while another Yes voter warned that digital identity could make citizen and platform “one file” — a conditional case, but a forceful one.

The opposing argument was a reminder that dominance can be temporary. A No voice invoked IBM, Microsoft and eBay, concluding that “change is constant no one is at the top forever”; another pointed to governments beginning to monitor Big Tech. The two sides were often answering different questions: No argued that markets and regulators can still disrupt incumbents, while Yes argued that the cost of letting them become indispensable may arrive before disruption does.

The Yes case also carried a darker, less disciplined register: AI and robotics making people obsolete, digital-control systems admired by elites, and “several more bells and whistles” quietly turning ordinary services into recurring charges. References to Palantir, military and financial power, and politicians “licking up” to tech billionaires widened the anxiety beyond economics into a fear of unaccountable rule.

What the chamber endorsed, then, was not a precise diagnosis but a direction of travel: competition may survive, yet the gates are already being built.

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The Bellwether
Voted yesLeft

Things have been heading that way for some time. You have a very good virus detector/disc check and repair and so on, then change your service provider, and get another virus checker that won't go away. Or you want a bigger cloud and as with the virus zapper, you soon find you have several more bells and whistles, you never use cluttering up the hard drive, and it's taking your money. We mustn't forget the surprise download, the one that wants to be your friend, 🤑££

Glasses· 445
The Public-Order Traditionalist
Voted noRight

As seen by case in America,and current in EU against Meta,tik tok etc, Governments are starting to monitor big tech,we will have to see how it plays out.

The Market-State Traditionalist
Voted noCentre Right

We've been through tech dominance state before, IBM, Microsoft, ebay where they were players who were so dominant and to do certain at it felt like you were stuck paying the tax to them but yet over time innovation and changes in the market affected their dominance. We never see it coming but change is constant no one is at the top forever.

The State-Building Socialist
Voted yesHard Left

Not quite sure why this is an either/or. Surely it can be both. I have voted ‘yes’ because there is no doubt that Big Tech is extracting rent from cloud platforms and data.

JohnnyBoy· 232
The Administrative Absolutist
Voted yesHard Right

Globally there was a fight in US by those Corporations who supported the Democrats & the Tech Bros who then switched to Trump. The ascendancy of Palantir - a CIA cutout - and others to deliver a world run by tech experts & AI is well on the way & our Analogue Politicians are nowhere save licking up to the likes of Peter Thiel Blackrock & Gates etc. The Military & Financial Complexes MIC & FIC are vying with the Techs but Digital ID & CBDC is the aim. Slavery 2.0.

The Market-State Traditionalist
Voted yesRight

Yes, if we are not careful. Big platforms already rent the square and take the data. Digital ID is the pass that lets the state and the platform treat the citizen as one file. That is not ordinary capitalism. Competition still exists. So does the risk of a fiefdom. Do not hand them the gate and then act surprised we live inside it.

Jonathan· 255
The Firestarter
Voted yesHard Right

Headed? We are are.

Slawomir· 613
The Civic Gatekeeper
Voted yesRight

NWO is build for decades. Recently a lot of Chinese solutions (digital ID, social credit score, etc.) on how to control population is liked by ruling elites. AI development mixed with robotics will make a lot of people obsolete. Everything becomes service, Bill Gates years ago dreamed of people paying for his products in electricity bills. Potentially dark ages ahead of us.