REFNATION
JusticeEnded 27 Jul

Should prisoners pay for their own incarceration like people pay for social care?

Yes 55%No 45%134 votes cast

UK prison spending exceeds £5 billion yearly amid overcrowding and reoffending rates near 50%. Social care for older adults depends on means-tested personal contributions alongside public funds, often requiring people to deplete savings. Ideas for prison self-funding typically involve expanding inmate work programmes to generate revenue and reduce state costs.

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The most interesting thing about this result is how little either side actually engaged with the practicalities the question raised. Yes won by ten points out of 134 votes, yet nobody on the winning side grappled seriously with how someone with no income and no assets is meant to pay, leaving a policy question about work programmes and cost recovery to be settled mostly on gut feeling about desert and choice.

The Yes case, such as it was, rested on the idea that crime is a choice and choices carry consequences, with the most-respected argument on that side proposing that inmates "contribute their time & labour" rather than sit idle, on the grounds that "being able to contribute and do something useful would be preferable to 'being banged up for 20+ hours'." Another voter drew the comparison to NHS prescription charges directly: "we all pay taxes to support the justice system. So why not then charge" — though a reply arrived to correct the thrust of that very argument, suggesting even Yes voters weren't reading each other closely.

No voters were thinner on the ground and more scattered in their objections. The highest-rated dissent sidestepped the funding question entirely to worry about wrongful or politically motivated imprisonment — "what if you're Lucy Connelly banged up politically for opining against state failures?" — while others made the blunter practical point that "most in prison i assume have no money," and one voter would rather any money owed went to victims, not the state. The two sides barely met: Yes argued principle and labour, No argued practicality and who deserves the money.

The vote echoes a familiar British instinct, the same one that underpins means-tested social care itself, that public provision should claw back something from those who use it, even when the person being asked to pay is by definition the least able to.

For a question about who should foot a £5 billion bill, the chamber settled it on ten points and barely a costed argument between them.

“I don't see why people who are in prison should contribute towards their upkeep. Obviously earning money isn't really an option, but they could contribute their time & labour. In times gone by this happened using various methods, so I'm not sure why it stopped or why it's not reintroduced. Surely being able to contribute and do something useful would be preferable to 'being banged up for 20+ hou”

YES case · JustFactsNotBeliefs · 2 respects

“I’d settle for them serving their time - if any payments are due it’s to their victims. I’d also like people guilty of rape or murder to not be allowed to return to the neighbourhood they came from if that’s where they committed the offence.”

NO case · Estella · 1 respect

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Estella· 395
The Market Constitutionalist
Voted noRight lean

I’d settle for them serving their time - if any payments are due it’s to their victims. I’d also like people guilty of rape or murder to not be allowed to return to the neighbourhood they came from if that’s where they committed the offence.

Glasses· 635
The Motorway Marketeer
Voted noRight lean

If they had money could be taken at court. Most in prison i assume have no money

The Market-State Traditionalist
Voted yesRight lean

I thought they already did work for money. And keep some of it. Work is good for people.

The Peacemaker
Voted yesC. Left lean

I don't see why people who are in prison should contribute towards their upkeep. Obviously earning money isn't really an option, but they could contribute their time & labour. In times gone by this happened using various methods, so I'm not sure why it stopped or why it's not reintroduced. Surely being able to contribute and do something useful would be preferable to 'being banged up for 20+ hours a day'?

The Security Realist
Voted yesRight lean

Definitely. Most crimes are choices: the criminal chooses to do something they know is unlawful or bad for the victim. Compare: we all pay towards medical prescriptions, through our taxation for the NHS. Those who need an actual medicine then pay a modest top up fee for what they need, because their health gives them no choice. We all pay taxes to support the justice system. So why not then charge criminals much more for doing something they have chosen to do?