A comfortable Yes win came with a twist: the best-rated arguments in the debate belonged to the losing side. Three No cases share the top rating, while the two Yes cases that lead their side sit well below them.
The most-respected Yes cases were built on Manchester itself. One former resident said its people “have no idea how good they have it”, and another argued franchising “stops the fragmented, expensive chaos of deregulation” while keeping private operators under public terms. A smaller Yes voice conceded “It doesn't have to be exactly the same model everywhere”, and another admitted “I fear for rural routes”.
The most-respected No cases were blunt and sceptical of councils: one said “I don't trust Councils to run a bath”, another asked about that £134 million set-up cost, and a third predicted publicly run services would be unreliable. The sharper No argument was geographic. Voters insisted Manchester is dense and self-contained, and that a model which works there is different from sparse counties such as Cornwall, Cumbria or the Cotswolds. One put it simply: “It doesn't work in largely rural counties where the network is sparse”.
That rural doubt touches a live national argument over whether local government can be trusted with more powers, in a law that makes franchising optional rather than compulsory. Several No voters ended up asking for local, case-by-case decisions, which is close to what the Act allows.
Yes voters offered Manchester as proof; No voters offered Manchester as the exception.
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I don’t trust Councils to run a bath. Nonsense idea & I doubt that the Manchester compactor is as successful as claimed. Will not work in rural areas, which is blindingly obvious to anybody with half a brain.
How in the world did it cost £134m just to tell a set of bus companies to have a shared timetable??
Its a nice idea but how often has anyone seen the council or the government run anything well? Im not denying there are exceptions but I can almost guarantee that in most areas, those publicly run services will be bloody awful, unreliable and be the bane of workers lives trying to get to work on time
Sheffield did this in the 70s and forced rate payers to pay for cheap travel even if they didn't use public transport, they then tried to make it as difficult as possible to drive into the city centre.
Council tax will shoot up to cover losses that will follow. Most Council accountants haven't a clue on saving money,always spend to the limit. !
State control already means ineffective service and bad customer service
It works well in places like Manchester and Edinburgh where it's easy because of density and routes, most councils would just have the burden of working out how to subside low use services while adding their own inefficiency
Council run public transport can work effectively in large urban areas such as Manchester, where there's a dense network and the majority of trips are within the city. It doesn't work in largely rural counties where the network is sparse and cross-border trips are more common.
I live in BCP (Bournemouth) which combined towns has a private bus system. Prices are fair, or even fayre, the service is every 5 minutes, and Run a reduced service at night. Buses after 7pm are a quid. They are cheaper than the £3 cap, being £2.80 so already affordable, but obviously will be even better at £2 next year.
This would be the same councils who can't fill the potholes? Those councils? The same councils who keep needing 'exceptional financial support' to balance their books - those councils? Why on earth would you want to give them more responsibility? Governments have never, and will never, be as effective as private bodies in managing assets. The incentives are all wrong.