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WelfareEnded 28 Jul

Should the UK make benefits harder to claim by increasing conditions for young people?

Yes 63%No 37%151 votes cast

Prime Minister Andy Burnham has indicated ministers could tighten conditions for receiving benefits to curb the growing welfare bill. The number of people claiming personal independence payment has doubled since 2019, with spending forecast to exceed £41 billion by the end of the decade. Burnham says more support should help people into work, including mental health provision, while awaiting reviews on youth unemployment and disability benefits.

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The most striking thing about this vote is not the margin but the silence: a decisive win for making benefits harder to claim, carried by 95 of 151 votes, produced not one recorded argument in its favour. Whatever brought the Yes majority to the lobby, it didn't feel the need to explain itself on the page.

That left the floor to the losing side, and it argued with some force. The most-respected opinion came from a voter describing life after "2 strokes" who insisted the fix lies elsewhere: "If you want to get people into work cut taxation and make work pay." Others distrusted the premise entirely, one arguing conditionality without investment simply entrenches disadvantage — "those less fortunate than themselves are always worse off" — while another pointed to the Dutch Participatiewet's wage subsidies as proof that "making benefits harder to claim" is not the only lever available.

There was no rival bloc of quoted opinions to weigh against these — the debate here was one-sided in substance even as the vote was one-sided in outcome, a genuine mismatch between what the chamber said and how it voted. A thinner thread ran through the No opinions too, with a couple suggesting reform should "start with foreigners first" before UK claimants, and one noting it's "already difficult enough for young people" trying to enter work for the first time — both distinct from the anti-conditionality case but reinforcing the sense that few here saw tightening rules as the obvious answer.

The split echoes the argument Andy Burnham's own review will have to settle: whether a swelling PIP bill, doubled since 2019 and heading past £41 billion, is best curbed by narrowing eligibility or by spending more on the work support meant to make conditionality bite less. On this page, the number said tighten it; the words said something rather different.

If you want to get people into work cut taxation and make work pay. I worked for 40 years till had 2 strokes which has given me limited ability. I am just about the same financially now as when was working as a hgv driver

NO case · stephencalder · 3 respects

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LexHelie· 130
The Hard-Border Environmentalist
Voted noC. Right

It's already difficult enough for young people, even more so if they've never successfully had a job. Cut it for non-citizens first at least.

Glasses· 484
The Public-Order Traditionalist
Voted noRight

Start with foreigners first not our own

r08yn· 210
The Diplomat
Voted noLeft

People already have to jump through hoops to say yes they are infact ill to a non medical professional. Its the equivalent of going to a doctor and they deny you life saving treatment until you can convince them you are sick. "Sir can are you sure your arm is missing and your bleeding out? How does that effect your day to day life?" The way dwp record data on claimants isnt even baised off diagnosis it baised off symptoms

The Climate Disarmamentist
Voted noLeft

I don't think making benefits harder to claim will push people into employment. We should be taking inspiration from the Dutch system on how to get disabled youth into work. The Dutch Participatiewet allows the government to subsidise wages for employees who would otherwise be out of work/on benefits. This lowers bills for employers and lowers government spending on benefits and unemployment, while allowing people to build skills and work history.

The Peacemaker
Voted noLeft

This would only work if you increase the support for those starting to work.. And that's the problem! Those that usually want to cut benefits also don't want to put anything else in place to help those less fortunate than themselves... All they're interested in is making sure those less fortunate than themselves are always worse off...

The Welfare-Balanced Hardliner
Voted noRight

If you want to get people into work cut taxation and make work pay. I worked for 40 years till had 2 strokes which has given me limited ability. I am just about the same financially now as when was working as a hgv driver