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Does no perfectly fair electoral system exist?

Yes 63%No 37%155 votes cast

Mathematicians from the University of Cambridge and University of Copenhagen have proven that no voting method can simultaneously guarantee local representation, national proportionality to vote shares, and a fixed parliament size once multiple parties compete. The finding follows tensions in recent elections in Denmark, Germany and the UK where these three goals conflicted. The researchers say countries can still manage the trade-offs more effectively.

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The story of this vote is not the margin but the shrug that accompanied it. Two to one, voters here sided with Cambridge and Copenhagen's mathematicians that no electoral system can deliver local representation, proportionality and a fixed parliament size all at once — yet the debate that produced that result was thin, and half of it was voters complaining about the question rather than answering it.

The Yes case, such as it was, split between resignation and a demand for nuance. The most-respected opinion on the page conceded the premise but refused to let it end the conversation: "there are some that are fair & representative of others, they're just more complicated & costly more to run," pointing to single transferable votes as closer to fair than first-past-the-post. Another Yes voter reached past electoral mechanics entirely to direct democracy, invoking Brexit as "such great exercise," while a third simply reached for the aphorism doing most of the chamber's thinking: "the perfect is the enemy of the good."

The No side barely argued at all — its two opinions, tied on a single respect vote each, objected not to the mathematics but to the framing, one voter noting it was "highly unlikely that a perfectly fair electoral system exists" while still voting no because the question felt like a trap, the other simply finding it "hard to fathom what actually is being asked." Neither side, in other words, seriously disputed the impossibility theorem itself — the disagreement was almost entirely about whether the question deserved a straight answer.

That the chamber accepted a mathematical impossibility result with so little resistance says something about how thoroughly first-past-the-post's flaws have been absorbed here, after a run of elections in Westminster, Berlin and Copenhagen where local seats, national vote share and chamber size have visibly pulled against each other. The fault line over PR, STV and fixed boundaries has not gone away — it has simply been conceded as unwinnable in principle, even by those still fighting for it in practice.

A result this lopsided, on a question this abstract, mostly proves that voters here would rather argue about which imperfect system to choose than whether perfection is possible at all.

Badly worded question.. YES there is no perfect electoral system. However there are some that are fair & representative of others, they're just more complicated & costly more to run. The fairer ones require 2 or more ballots or counts of the votes. FPTP is the cheapest & probably one of the most unrepresentative. A form of PR which includes single transferable votes and/or 2nd preference votes

YES case · JustFactsNotBeliefs · 4 respects

I voted no because I don’t think this is a good question- it is highly unlikely that a perfectly fair electoral system exists but there are definitely systems that a much fairer than others

NO case · PNutt · 1 respect

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LexHelie· 130
The Hard-Border Environmentalist
Voted yesC. Right lean

Impossible to make any electoral system perfectly fair, there will always be some who feel like their voices are not heard, and there will always be loud minorities who warp perceptions of general consensus.

Glasses· 532
The Security-State Householder
Voted noRight lean

Awkward question hard to fathom what actually is being asked

PNutt· 239
The Respected
Voted noLeft lean

I voted no because I don’t think this is a good question- it is highly unlikely that a perfectly fair electoral system exists but there are definitely systems that a much fairer than others

The Standards-First Conservative
Voted yesRight lean

"The perfect is the enemy of the good". The rest of us already knew that. We take the trade-offs.

Slawomir· 701
The Flat-Tax Traditionalist
Voted yesRight lean

Yes, in my opinion this would be direct democracy. I do understand it is not an electoral system per se but it is a perfect way to have democracy, in the matter of fact the only way to have it (and this what the question was about). No representant will share 100% opinions with me. The more direct democracy - the more democracy that is why Brexit was such great exercise.

The Peacemaker
Voted yesC. Left lean

Badly worded question.. YES there is no perfect electoral system. However there are some that are fair & representative of others, they're just more complicated & costly more to run. The fairer ones require 2 or more ballots or counts of the votes. FPTP is the cheapest & probably one of the most unrepresentative. A form of PR which includes single transferable votes and/or 2nd preference votes after those with the lowest vote share are knocked out are the fairest way