REFNATION
WelfareEnded 30 Jul

Should the government introduce a wealth tax to fund adult social care reform in England?

Yes 49%No 51%145 votes cast

Prime Minister Andy Burnham has described England's adult social care system as broken and in need of reform. The current means-tested system requires people with assets above £23,250 to largely fund their own care, with one in seven paying over £100,000. Burnham is seeking cross-party agreement on reform and is willing to expend political capital despite past failures.

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The headline is how close it was, but the debate on the page tells a different story: this was a No argument delivered almost unopposed. Six of the seven opinions came from the winning side, and their sharpest voice framed the vote as one about spending discipline rather than revenue: "Government must stop spending money they don't have and expecting the ever decreasing number of net contributors to continue to bail them out by taxing them."

That case was reinforced rather than rebutted from within No's own ranks — one voter argued the money already collected "seems to vanish" and called for reforming the system before "shovelling more money at it", while another invoked the fear of capital flight, insisting "we've already lost half of our millionaires." Yes, by contrast, mustered a single opinion, and a conflicted one at that: it backed some form of levy in principle but worried aloud that "the rich don't wiggle out of it as has happened in Scotland where a wealth tax reduced tax revenue," proposing a mansion tax or poll-tax rebanding instead of endorsing the wealth tax as put.

The two sides barely engaged each other. No's critique was fiscal and moral — taxation is already historically high, services are "crumbling," and further levies punish the wrong people — while Yes's lone voice conceded the problem but disputed the mechanism, never quite mounting a defence of a wealth tax itself.

The result lands on a fault line familiar from every social care debate since the "dementia tax" row of 2017: broad acknowledgement that the system is broken, no consensus on who should pay to fix it.

For a Prime Minister hoping to spend political capital on cross-party agreement, the chamber's message was not rejection so much as reluctance — the case for a wealth tax was left almost entirely unmade.

I am torn on this- we have to find some money, but we have to make sure the rich don't wiggle out of it as has happened in Scotland where a wealth tax reduced tax revenue. An increased poll tax banding range or mansion tax would probably be fairest and hardest to escape. And it would need to be ringfenced.

YES case · rjane · 0 respects

Government must stop spending money they don’t have and expecting the ever decreasing number of net contributors to continue to bail them out by taxing them. Welfare must be pared back drastically.

NO case · DeepMeadow · 3 respects

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  • W
    WildRover· 200
    The Consensus Leftish Pragmatist
    YES
  • The Hardline Environmentalist Hawk
    NO
  • The Border-and-Property Dissenter
    NO
  • WestyJ07· 221
    The Green Order Conservative
    NO
  • L
    LisbethJ· 254
    The Armed Traditionalist
    NO
  • T
    The Rights-First Progressive
    YES
  • robvrn· 233
    The Accountable-State Firebrand
    YES
  • J
    The Borderless Egalitarian
    YES
  • CDRook· 181
    The Rights-State Architect
    YES
  • F
    The Border-First Egalitarian
    NO
49%
Yes · 71 votes
51%
No · 74 votes
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Lixhul· 609
The Armed Ledger
Voted noRight lean

Come on don't be daft. You think it won't affect you but it does, we've already lost half of our millionaires

rjane· 279
The Public Power Architect
Voted yesLeft lean

I am torn on this- we have to find some money, but we have to make sure the rich don't wiggle out of it as has happened in Scotland where a wealth tax reduced tax revenue. An increased poll tax banding range or mansion tax would probably be fairest and hardest to escape. And it would need to be ringfenced.

Glasses· 500
The Security-State Householder
Voted noRight lean

Spend tax taken already more wisely and you wouldn't need to tax anymore. Overseas aid scrap it,netvzero zealous scrap it,asylum payments scrap it benefit freezebthem for 5 year Benigits for foreignersscrapit, mobility cars for headache scrap it on andbon .Billionswasted.

Slawomir· 677
The Civic Gatekeeper
Voted noRight lean

And if all wealth disappear from the land then what? We are already paying the highest taxes in modern history (since 1900) with many potential in the pipeline. In exchange we are receiving the worst possible overall services. Law and order, safety, transport, education, health - all seem to crumble on our eyes. Idiocracy took over but it will bankrupt the country and in process harm us. This must stop and be reversed.

The Industrial Gatekeeper
Voted noH. Right lean

Government must stop spending money they don’t have and expecting the ever decreasing number of net contributors to continue to bail them out by taxing them. Welfare must be pared back drastically.

The Atlantic Gatekeeper
Voted noRight lean

People are already paying a lot towards their own care but that money seems to vanish. Reform the system rather than shovel more money at it.