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EnvironmentEnded 5 Aug

Should the UK introduce permanent stronger taxes on fossil fuel profits?

Yes 53%No 47%152 votes cast

Oil giants including BP, Shell, ExxonMobil, Chevron and TotalEnergies are reporting blockbuster quarterly profits of billions of dollars. The Make Polluters Pay Coalition is urging governments to impose permanent stronger taxes on these fossil fuel gains and back strong UN tax talks. Scientists link emissions from these five firms to around one in four global heatwaves between 2000 and 2023.

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This was a narrow decision with an unmistakable asymmetry: Yes prevailed, but No supplied the room’s better-rated arguments and most of its ammunition. The winning side barely argued its case; the losing side arrived with a full dossier on jobs, energy and the tax burden.

The strongest Yes voice treated the profits as a windfall born of “global uncertainties rather than productivity”, and argued that corporate warnings about tax should be read sceptically. Its reply to the North Sea argument began, “Not quite the whole story”, insisting that disposals and shareholder pressure complicated the claim that taxation alone was driving BP’s retreat.

No’s case was more numerous and more respected by the floor. One voice reduced it to “Tax them more and more jobs get lost”; another pointed to BP and said, “BP just announced it’s exiting the North Sea because the windfall tax is too much.” The sides were largely talking past each other: Yes challenged the companies’ narrative, while No challenged the premise that the state could tax without damaging jobs or supply.

The fault line is the familiar one running through the UK’s energy politics: climate responsibility and exceptional profits on one side, energy security and suspicion of tax-and-spend on the other. Even the broader tax objection had a blunt formulation — “Tax, with current state spending, seems a daytime robbery” — while the climate sceptic’s “emergency” claim showed how far outside a shared frame parts of the chamber were arguing.

Yes won the vote; No won the argument for attention.

The fossil fuel industry profits are 159% of their already considerable 2021 profits. Much of this profit is related to global uncertainties rather than productivity, such as we see during this the Iran War. Companies naturally engage in sabre rattling about tax, but when do any walk away ( say from 2% less) when they know next year profits will easily outstrip this? Another example of people wor

YES case · MikeyN · 1 respect

BP just announced it's exiting the North Sea because the windfall tax is too much. Labour cannot see a golden goose without strangling it.

NO case · constancia · 2 respects

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Glasses· 548
The Security-State Householder
Voted noRight lean

For crying out loud . Ket company's keep some profits. Success breeds success

MikeyN· 308
The Firestarter
Voted yesLeft lean

The fossil fuel industry profits are 159% of their already considerable 2021 profits. Much of this profit is related to global uncertainties rather than productivity, such as we see during this the Iran War. Companies naturally engage in sabre rattling about tax, but when do any walk away ( say from 2% less) when they know next year profits will easily outstrip this? Another example of people working for a living protecting the people who profit from them with disregard!

The Standards-First Conservative
Voted noRight lean

BP just announced it's exiting the North Sea because the windfall tax is too much. Labour cannot see a golden goose without strangling it.

The Rights-Bound Restrictionist
Voted noH. Right lean

Job losses in the industry have been as a result of governments taxation policies. We also all know that the big polluters are countries like China, India & the US. They should be paying their fair share.

Slawomir· 717
The Flat-Tax Traditionalist
Voted noRight lean

Tax, with current state spending, seems a daytime robbery. We need to stop tax bonanza and start very carefully look at the expenses. Current status quo is unsustainable.

JohnnyBoy· 335
The Planning Liberator
Voted noRight lean

The Climate ‘emergency’ is a hoax. CO2 does not -as a trace gas - & cannot drive temperature. Not one empirical study demonstrates this. Gas Oil Nuclear all provide despatchable energy essential in a modern economy. UK grid not designed for so called renewables which are anything but. This is a Socialist scam to destroy Western economies on behalf of Globalists UN WEF Trilateral Commission etc to install a one world government. Criminal behaviour by Tories & Labour /Miliband

The Border-and-Order Statist
Voted noRight lean

Tax them more and more jobs get lost