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Should we reform the NHS so it works like the system in countries with better health outcomes per £ like FR, DE or CH?

Yes 69%No 31%221 votes cast

The NHS is a tax-funded system providing care free at the point of use but faces long waiting lists, staff shortages and variable outcomes. France, Germany and Switzerland use social health insurance models with mandatory contributions from employers and individuals, multiple providers and higher health spending as a share of GDP, achieving better life expectancy, cancer survival rates and shorter waits for treatment.

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The most striking thing about this vote is who didn't flinch at the word "reform": a chamber built on the NHS's founding principle backed continental alternatives by better than two to one. That is not a fringe protest vote, it is a working majority willing to entertain employer and individual contributions, multiple providers and the rest of the social-insurance toolkit in exchange for the outcomes those systems post on cancer survival and waiting times.

The generational pattern here cuts against the easy assumption that reform appeal fades with age. The 55-64s were the most emphatic Yes voters of any group, while the youngest cohort and the over-65s each split almost exactly down the middle — suggesting this was less a culture-war divide than one shaped by lived experience of the system, with those old enough to remember pre-NHS gaps and post-NHS golden years landing on opposite instincts, and the two ends of the age range simply undecided.

The result echoes a debate that has simmered since the pandemic exposed the NHS's waiting-list crisis: whether "free at the point of use" is worth defending as an article of faith or should yield to whatever model delivers the best outcomes per pound, a question that has quietly moved from the fringes of health policy into mainstream conversation as Germany and France post better survival rates on less relative fanfare.

What swayed the floor split between structural and managerial fixes. The top Yes voice argued for "regionalised system, with focus on prevention over fixing issues when they are established", pointing to community health centres and lifestyle change rather than funding mechanics; the leading No voice countered that the money was already there, misspent on "backroom staff hospital admins non essential staff" rather than frontline recruitment.

A chamber that grew up defending the NHS as a national religion has, for now, voted like a country shopping for a better insurer.

LeftCentreRight
  • The Practical EgalitarianCentre
    YES
  • The Clemency ConservativeRight
    YES
  • The Institutional TraditionalistRight
    YES
  • J
    The Borderless EgalitarianHard Left
    YES
  • Ful_lim· 206
    The Green Constitutional DissenterLeft
    NO
  • The Rights-First IdealistLeft
    NO
  • The Sovereignty HardlinerHard Right
    YES
  • L
    Levi· 18
    The Firm-Hand ModerateCentre Right
    YES
  • blair· 20
    Left
    NO
  • I
    Iobas· 152
    The Border SovereigntistRight
    YES
  • The Anti-Militarist EgalitarianLeft
    NO
  • The Redistributive UnionistCentre Left
    NO
  • Vivion· 40
    The Anti-Nuclear RepublicanHard Left
    NO
  • E
    eyyyy· 16
    The Egalitarian EnforcerLeft
    YES
  • S
    Slp· 13
    The Traditional GuardianHard Right
    YES
  • W
    wow· 66
    The Constitutionalist LiberalRight
    YES
  • Enny· 41
    The Guarded PluralistCentre Left
    YES
  • The Consensus ProgressiveHard Left
    NO
  • D
    Left
    NO
  • The Strategic Self-ReliantRight
    YES
69%
Yes · 153 votes
31%
No · 68 votes
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By gender
Male
67/33
Female
75/25
By age
16–24
52/48
25–34
68/32
35–44
76/24
45–54
60/40
55–64
83/17
65+
55/45
By political leaning
H. Left
15/85
Left
38/62
C. Left
60/40
Centre
71/29
C. Right
81/19
Right
92/8
H. Right
100/0
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The Welfare-Balanced Hardliner
Voted noRight

Money is wasted on backroom staff hospital admins non essential staff. Money saved by cutting them could be used on Drs and nurses recruitment

The Nuclear-First Hardliner
Voted yesHard Right

If the system isn't fit for purpose, and there are working models elsewhere, the answer should be obvious.

Angel· 513
The Constitutional Enforcement Heretic
Voted yesRight

The NHS is not fit for purpose. Needs a complete overhaul , sack the suits pay that xtra money u saved to pay drs better. Give Matrons the running of the nurses and wards .

Nick44· 222
The Institutional Leftist with a Carrier
Voted yesCentre Left

Personally, moving to a regionalised system, with focus on prevention over fixing issues when they are established is far more important. Small community health centres, and reducing things like smoking, unhealthy diet etc