The question produced a narrow Yes win, but the real story was the breadth of the disagreement beneath it. The floor’s most-respected Yes case made the issue one of collective tolerance, contrasting the imagined response to a lone offender with communities where perpetrators could act without being reported: “We are not the same.”
Yes voters largely argued that the scandals were not simply individual crimes but a distinctive, organised phenomenon. One called them “RAPE GANGS” and said they were “imported, Pakistani mostly”; another said the model had been “industrialised” into “a relation of human trafficking now”. The language was often furious, and at points slid from culpability into sweeping claims about whole communities.
The No case did not deny the crimes; it disputed Lowe’s causal hierarchy. Its most-respected counterargument accused him of “cherry-picking to support an anti immigration agenda”, while another said mass migration was “effect rather than causation”, pointing instead to policing, poverty, misogyny, weak services and political incentives. The two sides repeatedly talked past each other: Yes voters stressed distinctive patterns of communal protection, while No voters insisted that selective attention to ethnicity obscured both white perpetrators and institutional failure.
That makes this a contribution to the UK’s immigration argument, but not a clean mandate for a single explanation. Even within the Yes replies, one voice insisted, “I want the rope for all nonces white brown”, while No voters countered that “all colours commit sex crimes” and challenged the evidence behind claims of a nationwide cover-up. The chamber’s narrow division reflected that unresolved contest between a specific account of organised exploitation and a broader account of misogyny, state failure and political opportunism.
The verdict backed Lowe’s central attribution, but the debate showed how little agreement there was on what, precisely, voters were endorsing.
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The attitude of the police, the defunding of police, social and care services, the lack of respect for women. Groomers and rapists and largely men. Muslim attitudes to white women can be an aggravating factor, but so are misogyny, poverty, racism and fear of racism. Its man and their misogyny that's the problem, and the lack of consequences for that behaviour
Simply put, he is cherry-picking to support an anti immigration agenda. The biggest grooming gangs have been the Christian clergy of all stripes. How many oeople will reference the 21, all white Walsall gang jailed in 2023, or Blackrod/Bolton gang of 10 (the Casey audit alone identifed 17 all white gangs). Saville wasn't a gang, but enabled by dozens. The likes of West, Sutcliffe, Huntley, Varley. Horrendous crimes are committed by all ethnicities don't use them to divide us
Equally relevant & complicit is role of Fabians & Labour Party. The evil these organisations impart to the body politic in UK is sickening. The left co-opted Pakistani rape culture & clan corruption & the police to harness & harvest votes where turning a blind eye to millions of rapes & worse of young white girls, all so Labour could control voting in Northern towns. Introduce the rantings of the Frankfurt School & Labour was & is prepared to anything for votes & power.
Yes, because, while there have always been amateur circles of friends in every country grooming and r*ping boys and girls, for centuries - these new people have not only normalised the model, they have...industrialised.... the model. It's a relation of human trafficking now.
I don't know about anyone else, but if I kidnapped some kid to rape I couldn't call my friends, family or neighbours to come around and join in and be confident that none of them would report me to the authorities. We are not the same.
Please let's stop calling them grooming gangs as though they go around combing hair . RAPE GANGS, yes they are imported, Pakistani mostly, yes get them out after castrating them first!!
No it might seem so to some But that's only because the usual culprits who shout from the roof tops about grooming gangs & rapists with brown & black skins suddenly go very quiet about the same crimes when commited by those with white skins The truth is overall there's more rapes & child offense committed by people with white skins. EG Look at how many of Robinsons old EDL cronies have been convicted of sex crimes, yet he's never condemned, criticised or mentioned them!
Mass migration, with all its positive and negative results, is effect rather than causation. Obviously, there is also no single cause. Main will be: cheap workforce model, GDP as main KPI for country progress, conviction among ruling that racism is the biggest crime and that diverse society is the best, worth any sacrifices.