REFNATION
GovernanceEnded 5 Aug

Should alcohol be banned from the Palace of Westminster?

Yes 58%No 42%158 votes cast

Senior politicians Harriet Harman and Ruth Davidson have publicly condemned the drinking culture in the UK Parliament. The Palace of Westminster contains multiple heavily subsidised bars that have long enabled daytime alcohol consumption by MPs. Critics link this to blurred lines between socialising and legislating plus repeated scandals involving bullying, harassment and sexual misconduct.

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The striking feature was not a puritan consensus but a professional one: Yes won, 91 votes to No's 67, while the losing side supplied much of the room's wit. In this platform chamber, the verdict was a clear rebuke to Parliament's club-like habits, without amounting to unanimity.

The winning case cast the Palace as a workplace that has retained the manners of an inherited gentlemen's club. The floor's strongest Yes argument called it “a hangover (pun intended)” from the days when the landed gentry treated the Houses of Parliament as “another Club”; another voter wanted the bars and subsidies removed, with alcohol confined to “specific events / designated occasions”. The same logic extended to subsidised meals, which one Yes voter also wanted done away with.

No argued less for unrestricted drinking than for a managed tradition. Its most practical voice asked, “Where exactly is the PM supposed to meet informally with MPs?”, while another insisted, “Adults drink. Adults drink with colleagues.” Other No voters proposed cutting the subsidy or making people pay a fair price rather than banning alcohol, defended the tradition, and even joked that sober MPs might do more damage.

That left the two sides talking past each other about what Parliament's social spaces are for. Yes treated daytime drinking as an unacceptable workplace norm — especially in an institution shadowed by bullying, harassment and sexual-misconduct scandals — while No treated informal access and procurement as part of political life; one Yes reply returned to the fact that “Both Houses have bars open while the work goes on.”

The vote was therefore less a referendum on drink than on whether Westminster is a workplace first or a club with a legislature attached. The chamber chose the former, and left the old compromise looking less like tradition than permission.

Also their subsidised meals should be done away with

YES case · stephencalder · 2 respects

Need to be half pis sed to sit through some of the discussions in parliament

NO case · Glasses · 3 respects

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Yes · 91 votes
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No · 67 votes
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Glasses· 548
The Security-State Householder
Voted noRight lean

Need to be half pis sed to sit through some of the discussions in parliament

MikeyN· 308
The Firestarter
Voted yesLeft lean

This is a hangover (pun intended) from our past where the landed gentry saw the Houses Of Parliament as another Club.

The Standards-First Conservative
Voted noRight lean

Where exactly is the PM supposed to meet informally with MPs? Evacuate a pub with his security detail? Great look. Adults drink. Adults drink with colleagues. We are not Puritans. Using good procurement to secure a subsidised service is something every workplace used to do and unions supported. It's not evil.

Cathryn· 213
The Green Security Insurgent
Voted noLeft lean

Not entirely but it should be significantly reduced and not subsidised

StuOH· 443
The Workplace Commonwealth
Voted yesC. Left lean

alcohol is banned from most workplaces . Go to the pub outside of the workplace

The Civic Fortress
Voted noRight lean

Can you imagine how much more damage MPs could do if they were sober?

ERR· 384
The Full Spectrum
Voted yesCentre lean

Do away with the bars and subsidies. Alcohol should be allowed for specific events / designated occasions. Otherwise, it is a place of work and a professional environment shouldn’t enable daydrinking.

The Border-and-Order Statist
Voted yesRight lean

Also their subsidised meals should be done away with