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WelfareEnded 25 Jul

Should England create a National Care Service that operates on NHS principles?

Yes 68%No 32%124 votes cast

Andy Burnham has prioritised social care reform as one of his first acts as Prime Minister. He has signalled plans for a national care service operating on NHS principles, willingness to raise taxes to fund improvements, and accelerating the Casey Commission to report by the end of the year. Past attempts at reform have repeatedly failed due to political difficulties.

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The clearest signal in this vote is generational, and it is almost too neat: support for a National Care Service rose in near-lockstep with age, climbing from a coin-toss among the 25-34s to near-unanimity among the over-65s, with the 84-40 result folding in a cohort that has skin in the game voting like it. That is not a surprising shape for social care reform, but the steepness of the gradient is the story — this was a policy embraced most by those closest to needing it, and treated with real scepticism by the youngest working-age cohort footing future bills.

Gender told a quieter but related story: men backed the plan by roughly two to one, women split down the middle, a divide that tracks a familiar pattern in tax-and-spend votes where women, often more exposed to the sharp end of underfunded care as both users and unpaid carers, are warier of promises that arrive without a costed plan. Together the splits suggest enthusiasm for the principle outstripping confidence in the mechanics.

That tension sits squarely inside the real fault line here: every attempt at a National Care Service, from Blair to Brown to the Dilnot reforms, has foundered on exactly the question this chamber left open — who pays, and how much of the NHS's political capital and case for tax rises. Burnham's pledge to fund improvements through taxation, and to fast-track the Casey Commission, is popular in outline but has not settled the argument that has sunk every predecessor.

That argument played out live on the floor. The top Yes voice waved away the funding worry entirely — "why does the case against assume it would require tax rises? It needs redirecting of resources" — while the most-respected No voice redirected blame elsewhere, insisting "we need a bigger focus on stopping funds bleeding out of the NHS to private for profit firms first."

A convincing majority for the idea, then, but not for any particular way of paying for it — which is precisely the trap that has swallowed every care reform before this one.

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  • Ueva· 352
    The Rights-First Welfare Heretic
    YES
  • G
    GenLee· 337
    The Centre-Right Constitutional Dissenter
    YES
  • THE GUARDED PROGRESSIVE
    YES
  • Glasses· 461
    The Public-Order Traditionalist
    YES
  • The Paragon
    YES
  • The Public-Wealth Builder
    YES
  • K
    The Bellwether
    NO
  • robvrn· 233
    The Accountable-State Firebrand
    YES
  • Q
    THE FORTRESS EGALITARIAN
    YES
  • I
    Ian· 362
    The Rights-First Localist
    YES
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Yes · 84 votes
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No · 40 votes
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r08yn· 194
The Diplomat
Voted noLeft

We need a bigger focus on stopping funds bleeding out of the NHS to private for profit firms first https://www.nhsprofitmap.org.uk/

The Atlantic Gatekeeper
Voted yesRight

But why does the case against assume it would require tax rises? It needs redirecting of resources.