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ConstitutionNationalClosed · Final

Should the house of Lords be scrapped for a better system based on business leaders, academics and others?

Yes 66%No 34%93 votes cast

The House of Lords has over 800 members including life peers, bishops and some hereditary peers. It revises legislation and provides expert scrutiny but faces criticism for political patronage and size. Reform proposals have circulated for years including under recent governments with calls for smaller expert-based chambers or full election. Public and political discussion continues on modernising the second chamber amid broader constitutional questions.

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The age profile alone punctures the easy story about generational impatience with old institutions. It was the pensioners, the cohort with the longest memory of the Lords as it is, who voted almost to a person for tearing it up, while the youngest voters here were merely lukewarm — a reminder that appetite for constitutional upheaval doesn't always track with proximity to the status quo.

The sharper fracture ran along gender lines: men backed abolition by four to one, women split the other way, leaning against scrapping the chamber for a meritocratic substitute. That split hints at a real disagreement buried in the question's framing — whether swapping peers for "business leaders, academics and others" counts as democratising the second chamber or simply changing who gets to be unelected.

It lands squarely on the fault line that has run through every failed reform effort since the Blair years: is the problem that the Lords is unelected, or that the wrong unelected people sit in it. A chamber voting to replace peers with technocrats rather than voters suggests plenty here think it's the latter.

That the keenest reformers were the oldest voters, not the youngest, is the kind of result that should trouble anyone's tidy theory of where appetite for constitutional change actually lives.

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  • The Cultural DisciplinarianHard Right
    YES
  • K
    The Wealth-Tax EgalitarianLeft
    NO
  • The Guarded ProgressiveCentre Left
    YES
  • r08yn· 165
    The DiplomatLeft
    YES
  • G
    gragra· 11
    The Right-Wing LiberalCentre
    NO
  • MikeHowes· 246
    The Borderless Constitutional HereticHard Left
    YES
  • The Constitutional ModerateCentre Left
    YES
  • CDRook· 181
    The Rights-State ArchitectHard Left
    YES
  • C
    Cadbold· 18
    The Union GuardianCentre Right
    YES
  • Olfg· 48
    The All-RounderLeft
    YES
  • G
    The Border-First ConstitutionalistRight
    YES
  • G
    GenLee· 290
    The Centre-Right Constitutional DissenterCentre Right
    YES
  • hywel· 20
    Left
    NO
  • Jam· 14
    Left
    NO
  • R
    Revere· 373
    The PolymathHard Right
    NO
  • H
    The Green-Edged HardlinerHard Right
    YES
  • The Pragmatic LevellerLeft
    YES
  • A
    Andymac· 417
    The SageLeft
    YES
  • The Clemency ConservativeRight
    NO
  • D
    drayton· 177
    The Sovereignty EnforcerRight
    NO
66%
Yes · 61 votes
34%
No · 32 votes
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By gender
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81/19
Female
50/50
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16–24
60/40
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69/31
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60/40
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68/32
65+
90/10
By political leaning
H. Left
88/12
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76/24
C. Left
71/29
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13/87
C. Right
57/43
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70/30
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Angel· 535
The Constitutional Enforcement Heretic
Right

Depends who they put in as I don't trust em to put the correct ppl because I just think more of the same . S complete overhaul is necessary imho

The Early-Days Leftist
Left

Lords being appointed by the PM potentially adds political elements instead of objective expertise into things. Also "Should the house of Lords be scrapped for a better system..." is not biased at all refnation.

Glasses· 397
The Sovereignty Enforcer
Right

Biggest boys and girls club going . Nearly 1000 now money for nothing and your dinner for free,or subsidised!

The Practical Constitutional Leftist
Left

Hereditary peerage is on its way out regardless, so the Lords is already made up of Business Leaders, Academics and others

The Nuclear-First Hardliner
Hard Right

The Lords are old, outdated and subject to external influence. Put real, British interests in power. Obviously.

GobbyRon· 59
The Polymath
Left

We should do this, but be careful how the 'leaders' are appointed.